Raleigh Bottle Club - June 2001 Newsletter

Club meets the first Tuesday of each month.
Next meeting: Tue July 3, 2001
Meeting will be at Clancey & Theys Construction - see directions below

Topics in this Newsletter Issue:
Business Presentation Meeting Location Next Meeting Agenda Joining/Dues Member Ads Upcoming Shows/Events
Ore Hill

The Raleigh Bottle Club is a non-profit organization that provides a forum for area antique bottle collectors to get together, talk bottles, buy/sell/trade, organize club digs, and just have fun. The club also serves the community by answering bottle questions and sponsoring an annual Bottle Show and Sale. Next club show is April 27, 2002. Current officers: President: David Tingen Vice-president: John Arnold, Secretary: Frank Bishop, Treasurer / Newsletter Editor / Show Chairman: Reggie Lynch, Co-Show Chairman: Ronald Hinsley. Info: Raleigh Bottle Club, Web: www.antiquebottles.com/raleigh/. All past newsletters are archived on this web page.

Meetings are open to the public, so drop by and check us out. We hope you'll consider joining the club. Club members receive the monthly newsletter, run free ads, and participate in all the fun/benefits the club has to offer.

Business

23 people attended the May 1 meeting. We added 3 new paying members in April/May: Scott Berry, Hank Parks, Jerry Hall. Total paid members: 67. May minutes & financial report were approved.

In response to member ad by Tom Kleeberg, Reggie found the desired bottle (see picture above) which is embossed in oval slug plate: "MT. VERNON SPRGS. MINERAL WATER / ORE HILL / N.C. / THIS BOTTLE / NOT TO / BE SOLD". Nice scarce BIM bottle with amethyst tint.



This rare NC cure bottle sold in May on eBay. Embossing reads "KLUTTZ'S CHILL CURE / SALISBURY, N.C. / KLUTTZ & CO.". Several club members tried to keep it in the state, but bidding was fevered with a final hammer price of $184 going to a cure collector in PA. Member Bill Owen (one of the runner ups) reported he has one example with a bit of damage. Bill believes the bottle was sold out of a building knows as Kluttz's drugstore built in 1855 and located on the north-east corner of the square on Main St. in Salisbury. This was reportedly the oldest drugstore & tallest building (3 stories) in N.C. The building is still in use as an ice cream shop.

This bottle sold in March on eBay for $315. Following info taken with permission from the seller's eBay description. The "by BARNEY and ALLY" bottle is one of the six rarest and most coveted bottles in any Mountain Dew bottler's collection. Not only is it one of the most significant bottles in Mountain Dew's history, it is also extremely rare, with less than 40 believed to be in existence today. In 1992 only 6 of these bottles had been reported but that same year a farmer in middle Tennessee found a full case (24) of empties in his barn and sold them to a dealer in Nashville. The "by BARNEY and ALLY" bottle was the very first Applied Color Label (ACL) Mountain Dew bottle ever produced, but curiously, it was the second ACL bottle to go into production. Because this bottle bears the names of the fathers of Mountain Dew it is a must for the serious Mountain Dew collector. Barney and Ally Hartman ran a bottling plant in Knoxville, Tennessee during the 40's. During this time the brothers were using a hard liquor mixer that they had concocted for their personal use and to use for a mixer during parties. Among their friends the mixer was jokingly called Mountain Dew. In 1946, to further the joke of this "Home Brewed Concoction", Barney had a young high school student draw up a paper label. The label showed a hillbilly with a gun and on the label they wrote "Home Brewed by BARNEY and OLLIE" (the High School student had misspelled Ally) .... The mixer was so popular at parties that during the next two years friends convinced the Hartman brothers to take this home brewed mixer commercial and they applied for a patent in 1948. The patent was awarded to the Hartman's on both the name "Mountain Dew" and also awarded on the now famous design in 1953.

New member Jerry Hall had this bottle for sale on his table at Big Lick Antique Festival in Oakboro, NC. It's the large amber "OLD HOME BITTERS / DOC DUNNING / GREENSBORO, N. CAROLINA" that was produced in the early 1970s bottle by Doc Dunning for his lamp business. Too bad NC does not have a true antique embossed bitters - guess Doc Dunning felt the same way. See http://www.antiquebottles.com/repro/ for more info.

I (Reggie) missed the June meeting, but heard it was a great one with a buy & sale, plus raffle. Heard lots of good bottles were bought and sold. And lots of good fellowship as usual. Meeting for July will be the same with no formal program, but more buying/selling and a raffle.

Reggie is proposing the club have a mini-show at the NC State Fairgrounds on Sat Nov 3, 2001 9am-3pm. This will be the first weekend the flea market opens after the state fair. The club can rent a block of consecutive spaces on the grass traffic island between the Scott Building and the antique section of the flea market. Tables can be laid out 2 deep with 7 foot public aisles and 5 foot dealer aisles, providing 4 8-foot dealer tables in every 17 foot section. The fairgrounds rents out 10 foot wide by 20 foot deep spaces for $15 each. If we rent a block of 30 spaces for $450, we can provide 17 of the sections with 4 dealer tables each, for a total of 4x17=68 tables. If we rent these tables for $25 each, the gross income would be $1700. Some money would have to be expensed for table rentals and advertising, but could be a good fund raiser with a great crowd for our dealers. Could also set one table aside to promote club and invite new members. This idea will be presented at the next club meeting. Note that fairgrounds will not allow raffles. Since this would be an outdoor event, we would need to provide a rain date (e.g. the following Saturday). OK with fairgrounds to check weather the day before and decide if we are "go" or not.

Club raffle winners for June: don't know - someone tell me what you won.

August raffle bottles: WHITE HOUSE VINEGAR quart in aqua blue, and other bottles to be provided.

OK - so it's not bottles, but it is important to one club member. Jack Murdock and Reggie Lynch attended the Big Lick Antique Festival in Oakboro, NC. Jack was lucky to find this brass dog that was forged in the 1930s by his grandfather. Imprinting reads "HINER SUPPLY & MANUFACTURING CO. / RALEIGH N.C.". The brass dog was made special for a few of the best customers. Jack recalled playing in the plant as a kid.

Club members are encouraged to bring in bottles for the raffle we will have at each meeting. The raffle is fun for everyone and helps add money to the club treasury. For nicer bottles, the club treasury can reimburse the wholesale cost to the donator. Contact the treasurer before the raffle to make arrangements.

Members are encouraged to bring bottles into meetings for show and tell. These bottles are good candidates for pictures and maybe stories in our newsletter.

Looking for other people to sign-up for presentations at future meetings, so let us know what you would be willing to present. Presentations can be 5 to 60 minutes in length. David Tingen may do a presentation on photographing bottles for the Internet. May get Jimmie Wood to do ACL's and Charlie Perry to do White House Vinegar in the Fall.

Myself and many other members attended the annual June bottle show in Lumberton NC. Another great show. Our club had a display showing pictures from our show. There were also handouts of show programs and newsletters, with application forms, to lure new members.

Our show picture of Hunter Cox at his dealer table made the front cover of the June 2001 issue of Bottles & Extras, which is published by the FOHBC. The publisher, Dave Cheadle, Emailed me this comment about it:

I hope Hunter is surprised (and pleasantly pleased); the cover has already brought positive feedback, as Hunter makes a great picture that really captures much of what this hobby is about! (Real people, real fun, a diverse range of glass, etc.)

This bottle recently sold in May on Ebay. The paper label reads "Lightning Cure for Toothache, Headache, and Neuralgia. Manufactured and sold by W. E. Starling, Raleigh, NC". In his book on NC Medicines, Jerry Roughton lists a Starling's Electric Soap from the same Starling in Raleigh, but no mention of this Lightning Cure product.

Another variation of the C. VALER hutch from Charlotte showed up recently on eBay. This variation has VALER spelled correctly, has the "ELECTRIC BOTTLER" embossing, but does not have the monogram. That makes 3 variations of this NC hutch documented in our newsletters.

A 3 gallon NC jug, 17" in height, recently sold on eBay to fellow club member Corky Shore. Stenciling reads "I.C. Shore & Co. / Distillers, Rectifiers / and Shippers of / Pure Whiskies / Shore, N.C."

Afraid the Winston-Salem group will not be repeating their show in July. Too bad - really enjoyed their show last year.




This "D.H. KING / BOTTLER / WINSTON, N.C." blob soda sold recently on ebay. Only $26 due to the cracked base, but still a nice Winston bottle before it became Winston-Salem.

Presentation

No presentation for June meeting.


Meeting Location

Club meetings are held 7-9pm on the first Tuesday of each month at Clancy & Theys Construction Company where club member John Arnold works. Company is located at 516 W. Cabarrus Street in downtown Raleigh (near the AmTrak station). Park in back of building. Call John Arnold on his mobile phone at (919) 427-0334 if you get lost.

Directions from the 440 Beltline: Take Glenwood Ave exit and head in town (away from Crabtree Valley Mall). Cross bridge over Wade Ave and turn right to "clover leaf" onto Wade Ave heading downtown. Merge right onto Capital Blvd heading downtown. Capital Blvd becomes N. Dawson St. Continue 0.7mi and turn right onto W. Cabarrus St. Cross railroad tracks, and just pass the Amtrak Station on right is #516 "Clancy & Theys Construction Co" - park behind building.

Directions from I-40: Take S. Saunders St exit and head North into downtown Raleigh. S. Saunders will turn into S. Wilmington St. Go pass Memorial Auditorium, then 2 blocks later turn left on W. Davie St., left on Dawson St, and right on W. Cabarrus St. Cross railroad tracks, and just pass the Amtrak Station on right is #516 "Clancy & Theys Construction Co" - park behind building.

You can also see directions on the Internet via www.mapquest.com by entering the "516 W. Cabarrus St, Raleigh, NC" address.


Agenda for the next meeting

  1. Wear name tags.
  2. Approve treasurer report and previous minutes in newsletter.
  3. Request articles for upcoming newsletters.
  4. Collect ads to run in the next newsletter.
  5. Confirm date of next meeting.
  6. Have someone solicit News & Observer to do article on new club.
  7. Discuss proposal for fall show at fairgrounds.
  8. Report by Frank Bishop on status of non-profit application.
  9. Report by Donnie Medlin and Freddie Edwards on club T-shirts.
  10. Report by Donnie Medlin on dealer show surveys.
  11. Dues Renewal status.
  12. Decide on date when next Club Directory should be released. Recommended date is Oct 2001.
  13. Meeting presenters - sign-up people to do presentations of their collections at future meetings.
  14. Open discussion, announcements, digging stories, show & tell, latest bottles aquired, show reports, ...
  15. Setup/announce any raffle bottles. The club can reimburse a nominal amount for nicer bottles - see treasurer in advance.
  16. Setup/announce any auction bottles. The seller can set a minimum bid with the amount above the minimum going to the club. So please bring any bottles you want to auction (limit 5 per seller).
  17. Sell raffle tickets ($1 each) while presentor gets ready. Also a good time to examine the auction and raffle bottles.
  18. Presentation.
  19. Auction any bottles being offerred.
  20. Draw winning tickets for the raffle. 1st winner gets first choice and so on till all bottles are gone.
  21. Conclude with Swap Meet - each person is encouraged to bring bottles for sale/trade. Please limit yourself to a 2 box maximum. Tables will be provided where bottles can be displayed for show or sale.


Joining

To join the Raleigh Bottle Club, please use this Membership Application web form or contact Reggie for a printed copy. Printed copies of the newsletter will have a blank application form on the last page.


Member Ads

Ads are posted here free of charge to club members. Submit ad info to club secretary (Reggie) for inclusion in next newsletter. Ads run for 2 months, then must be renewed to continue.
  1. Wanted: NC medicines and drug store bottles. Come see my booth at Art-Antique Mall on Peters Creek Pkwy in Winston Salem. Scott Berry (336) 946-2020.

  2. For Sale: bottle cleaning machines, including an economy table top machine for $300. Contact Bob Roberts, (704) 482-7200, 166 Zeb Cline Road, Shelby, N.C. 28150-8110, Email: mailto:5stam@twave.net

  3. Wanted: U.S.A. Hospital Dept. bottles, dug Civil War relics, rare Pepsi bottles & go-withs. Contact Vernon Capps, 2216 Rosewood Rd., Goldsboro, NC 27530. (919) 734-8964.

  4. For Sale: Bottle Books by author: "The Illustrated Guide to Collecting Bottles" 1970 in used condition for $30, "The Illustrated Guide to the Collectibles of Coca-Cocla" Updated 1972 in used condition for $35, and "Would You Believe" 1968 in new condition for $15, shipping+handling included, autographed by request. Contact Cecil Munsey, 13541 Willow Run Road, Ponway, CA 92064-1733. (858) 487-1733, Email: cecilmunsey@home.com

  5. Wanted: "HICK'S CAPUDINE CURE" in mint condition, label+box a plus. Contact John Wolf, (937) 275-1617, 1186 Latchwood Ave, Dayton, OH 45405.

  6. Wanted: newsletters from the old Raleigh Club (or any other NC club) to use as historical reference for upcoming club newsletters. Loan to Reggie or any club officer and we will make copies and return originals to you.

  7. Wanted: any rare pre-machine Raleigh NC bottles (not "Rawleigh"). Especially whiskies, sodas, beers, etc. Contact Jack Murdock, (919) 779-9914, 8517 Crowder Rd, Raleigh, NC 27603.

  8. Wanted: quality fruit jars, fruit jar ring boxes, and NC milk bottles. Contact J.B. Young, 1012 Davis Drive, Apex, NC 27502, Phone (919) 362-6596.

  9. Wanted: NC blob top beer bottles in undamaged condition, especially amber colored examples. David Tingen, Email: tingen@interpath.com, Phone: (919) 848-4387.

  10. Wanted: NC straight-sided Coca-Cola and script Pepsi bottles in undamaged condition. Reggie Lynch, Email: rlynch@antiquebottles.com, phone: (919) 789-4545.
    Check out my bottles for sale on the Internet http://www.antiquebottles.com/rl/ and in booth 615 at Granddaddy's Antique Mall in Burlington, N.C.

Upcoming Shows

Also see Antique Bottle Shows, NC State Fairgrounds Calendar of Events, NC Festivals and Fairs.

July 8, 2001
Muncie, IN
Midwest Antique Fruit Jar & Bottle Club Annual 'Summer' Show & Sale, (9 AM to 3 PM), at the Horizon Convention Center, Muncie, IN. Info: NORMAN BARNETT, PO Box 38, Flat Rock, IN 47234, PH: (812) 587-5560, or DICK COLE, Minnetrista Cultural Center, PH: (800) 428-5887.
July 28, 2001
Birmingham, AL
Antique Bottle Show, (9 AM to 4 PM), at the Bessemer Civic Center, at Exit #108 on I-20/59, Birmingham, AL. Info: TOM LINES, PO Box 382831, Birmingham, AL. 35328. PH: (205) 987-0650, Email: tlines@resourcemgt.com or JAMES SMITH, PH: (205) 995-8826.
Aug 11, 2001
Vicksburg, MS
4th Annual VIcksburg Antique Bottle Show & Sale, 8am-4pm at the Battlefield Inn, 4137 I-20 N. Frontage Rd, Vicksburg, MS. Info: Cason Schaffer, 107 East View Drive, Vicksburg, MS 39183 phone (601) 638-1195.
Aug 12, 2001
Muncie, IN
The Federation of Historical Bottle Collectors National Show & Sale, (9 AM to 3 PM, early buyers Sat. 12:30 PM), at the Horizon Convention Center, Muncie, IN. Info: NORMAN BARNETT, PO Box 38, Flat Rock, IN. 47234. PH: (812) 587-5560.
Aug 25, 2001
Smyrna, GA
31th Annual Bottle Show & Sale of the Southeastern Antique Bottle Club. Show will be 9:00am-4:00pm Sat at the Smyrna Recreation Center, 200 Village Green Circle, Smyrna, GA (just north of Atlanta). Dealer setup Sat 7-9am. Over 80 sales tables available. For info, contact Jack Hewitt, 1765 Potomac Court, Lawrenceville, GA 30243. PH: (770) 963-0220, Email: mailto:hewittja@earthlink.net, Or contact Fred Taylor, Email: fredtay@bellsouth.net


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